Who are the real warmongers -- historically speaking

Once upon a time, the idea was.... peace. Peace was the norm. Nobody actually wanted war, so it appeared -- aside from dirty communists half a world away. America was the land of peace and freedom, opportunity and goodness in every way.

Wellll, except for the Vietnam experience, a bloody, stinking mess that actually blighted multiple countries from 1955 to 1975. OK, when it finally ended (having roared in the background of my entire conscious life up til then) we knew peace again, of a type -- for a while. Till a family named Bush rose to luster and fame.

Who is it that actually wants war? Somebody obviously does. Looking back before the peace movement of the 1960s, one would like to posit that both major US political parties wanted peace, and that the only reason for the endless bombing and killing was that they had to finish Vietnam in order to allow it and ourselves to return to peace and normalcy. But you know, it's awfully hard to imagine it that way. Long before I stumbled into the real world through the back exit of a country library in Mendham, NJ, I looked at the situation in Washington and realized what I saw was a bunch of blah gray-haired bureaucrat politician suits with their bellies hanging over their belts, purporting to save the world from itself -- on the backs of ameriKan youth suffering and dying on far-flung battlefields. Thank God, my elders were passable conservatives but nobody's fool when it came to politicians at large. That's probably where I inherited my healthy jaundice toward the breed.

So, who does that leave for peace? The antiwar movement that raged under this rubric during and slightly after Vietnam helped cure ameriKa of any interest in war.... until, of course, they grew up and took over politics themselves. Then suddenly, they were the establishment -- and shockingly bloodthirsty and bellicose.  I fear their passions were as much a generalized revolt against their parents as a desire to improve anything.

Slick Willie was a classic radical-chic hippie back in the day; I've seen more revolting pics of him then than  this

http://v2-forum.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/1490/ppuser/146

Who in their right mind would have expected such slobs to take over the The Natural State, Arkansas, much less the "free world", much less keep one of both of themselves at the levers of  power down to this day -- 500 years' worth of corruption packed into three decades? I don't know if they were ever peaceniks, but they were put into the White House by an entire former generation of them, and they've proved among the most violent rulers in history.

The "two major parties" are permanently bellicose and virtually identical. Who does that leave for peace? Very, very few people today, in politics or out, will personally express total opposition to war on principle. Who does that leave for peace? The answer may shock you.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-conservatives-hate-war/
Why Conservatives Hate War

There's a title that in four words cancels out easily 60-75% of people calling themselves conservative today bby sheer force of logic. While we're gorging ourselves on reality, is this story of interest at all?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html
British have invaded nine out of ten countries - so look out Luxembourg

I want to love Englishness as much as anybody but it gets awfully hard sometimes. Don't tell anybody but I found a video of Mary Poppins in a junkshop and am hooked all over again. You'd never know from it that the society of nannies, pearlies, bobbies and 4:00 tea had committed forcible entry and much, much worse on most of humanity.

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